tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1241254853273428596.post203799232083928016..comments2019-04-14T17:02:53.421-04:00Comments on Al Pi Cheshbon: עמודי החצרShtiklerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07498936768989355610noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1241254853273428596.post-6335518807944377932017-03-02T15:58:33.646-05:002017-03-02T15:58:33.646-05:00How much did the kapores weigh? And how much gold ...How much did the kapores weigh? And how much gold was donated? This does not include the gold of the aron or keruvim. Nor does it include the menora or other keilim. <br />1) The dimensions of the kapores in tefachim are 15 x 9 x 1. [There are 6 tefachim in one amah.] The first two dimensions are written in the Torah. For the height [1 tefach] we are relying on Rashi based on Chazal. Using 8 centimeters per tefach it comes to 120 x 72 x 8 or 69,120 cubic centimeters. Pure gold weighs 19.3 grams per cubic cm. <br />2) Hence the kapores weighed 1,334,016 gr or 1334 kg! [This is more than one ton!!] And this is without the kruvim!<br />3) The amount of gold donated for the Mishkan [see Shmos 38:24] was 29 kikar and 730 shekel using shekel hakodesh. Rashi tells us that 1 kikar equaled 60 maneh [מנה]. However, the maneh of kodesh was doubled, so there were 120 maneh in 1 kikar. One maneh equals 25 sela'im [the Talmudic term for the Torah shekel]. Hence, 1 kikar is equal to 3000 shekalim. <br />4) So what was the weight of these donations? <br />5) The donation was [29 times 3000 + 730] 87,730 shekalim. This equals [87,730 times 14 gram] 1228.22 kg. <br />jewinjerusalemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152986203793800191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1241254853273428596.post-90916639457852707772015-02-21T13:28:51.693-05:002015-02-21T13:28:51.693-05:00Nice post. Question: Has anyone tried to calculat...Nice post. Question: Has anyone tried to calculate the weight of the aron? There was a lot of gold there! Could it be carried by 4 people "al derech hateva?" Also, when the pasuk says that they used "zahav tahor" does this mean 24 caret gold? Is that practical? Any thoughts? i was inspired to ask this after reading your post on Noach's teiva.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1241254853273428596.post-20962236012509039912011-02-26T22:35:31.064-05:002011-02-26T22:35:31.064-05:00The explanation of the Riv"a towards the end ...<b>The explanation of the Riv"a towards the end of Parshas Terumah seems the most logical, with minor assymetries that can be easily tweaked.</b><br /><br />I would very much enjoy looking at YOUR detailed layout that shows how these "<i>minor assymetries that can be easily tweaked.</i>"<br /><br />Just post link here or in my blog.<br /><br />Thank you.Aleksandr Sigalovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08622904545106070847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1241254853273428596.post-27844036982128355472011-02-06T02:45:15.426-05:002011-02-06T02:45:15.426-05:00A very novel idea was put forward by Isaac Hassan ...A very novel idea was put forward by Isaac Hassan of montreal, regarding the dimentions and pillars of the courtyard, which seems to cover all difficulties. It is radical though. The explanation of the Riv"a towards the end of Parshas Terumah seems the most logical, with minor assymetries that can be easily tweaked.<br /><br />I think that we can certainly agree that Mr. Sigalov's explanation is beyond reason.Abe Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1241254853273428596.post-32612555003432488112010-04-07T16:15:38.556-04:002010-04-07T16:15:38.556-04:00Ok, so this is what I think about the dimensions o...Ok, so this is what I think about the dimensions of the Court...<br /><br />In my humble opinion, the dimensions of the Chatzer of the Mishkan were 120 cubits by 60 cubits. <br /><br />Here is why:<br /><br />1) If we would assume that the dimensions of the Chatzer were 100 cubits by 50 cubits, we are going to run into the problems that you have nicely outlined in your post. <br /><br />And since the traditional interpretations cover almost every concievable permutation of the Court parts that explicitly specified in the original text, one can also conlclude that all of of these interpretations are equaly problematic, and thus - not correct.<br /><br />2) But how can this be justified? Well, imho it is pretty simple - this is a clear case of misreading of the text. <br />Exodus 27:9-12 & 14-16 discusses the length of fabric for each side of the court: no problems here. But Exodus 27:13 & 18 seems to be talking about an overall dimensions of the court? Wrong! It also speaks about the length and width of the fabric only!<br /><br />Thus, the value of 100 cubits refers to the length of fabric on the North and South sides of the court. And the value of 50 cubits refers to the length of fabric on the East and West sides of the court.<br /><br />But how can we figure out an overall dimensions of the court, if the dimensions of the pillars are not specified explicitly?<br /><br />Simple! From the dimensions of the Boards of the Tent of the Mishkan!<br /><br />Each board of the Mishkan was 1.5 cubits long and 10 cubits tall (with an unknown thickness). <br />Here is an interesting part: if we were to make a tube with these dimensions, taking 1.5 cubits for an inner circumference of the tube, we would get a pillar 10 cubits tall and 1.5/pi=0.477 cubits of inner diameter. <br /><br />But the court pillars were only half as tall as the boards of the Tent... Well, amazingly, if we will cut the tube that we've calculated above in half and make one wider tube out of these two, we are going to get:<br />A tube 5 cubits tall, with inner circumference 1.5+1.5=3 cubits, and inner diameter of 3/pi=0.954 cubits. And since this tube obviously had some thickness, the closest whole number would be 1 cubit.<br /><br />Thus, the each pillar of the court was tube-shaped, 5 cubit tall, 1 cubit in outside diameter and 0.954 cubits of inside diameter, with the thickness of wood of (1-0.954)/2 =~0.0225 cubits (a fingerbreadth).<br /><br />By doing some more simple math, we get an overall dimensions of the court of the Mishkan as 120 cubits by 60 cubits. (i,e 50 cubits of fabric + 10 pillars one cubit wide each=60 cubits e.t.c)<br /><br />So I guess Rashi was one of the few who asked the right questions. And of'course, the traditional commentators who identified the pillars of the court being 1 cubit, were also correct, even though they could not explain it and fit all details together.<br /><br />Sorry ofr the long comment ;)Aleksandr Sigalovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08622904545106070847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1241254853273428596.post-41691224644719967732010-03-22T20:19:42.774-04:002010-03-22T20:19:42.774-04:00I wonder... Have seen my blog yet?
thedeserttabern...I wonder... Have seen my blog yet?<br />thedeserttabernacle.blogspot.comAleksandr Sigalovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08622904545106070847noreply@blogger.com